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Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10949

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I can find plenty of information about hook nomenclature, shapes, styles, etc. What I can not seem to be able to down load is a hook size chart that goes down to 24 or so. I found ONE but it was all wrong actual size wise. I know someone has one that fits a normal sheet of typing paper in PDF format. Anyone have such a link?
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10950

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Here are a couple of good hook links:

On the following link You can see refined charts for each of the five brand name hooks: Mustad comparison chart, Tiemco comparison chart, Daiichi comparison chart, Orvis comparison chart, Partridge comparison chart
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Re: Scalable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10952

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Hook size chart? I'd consult the specific makers.

The tricky part is that a size 12 for Mustad may not be a size 12 for Daiichi, Partridge, Knapek, etc.

For that matter a size 12 czech nymph hook from any given maker may not be the same size as their own size 12 dry hook.

To complicate matters even more, a size 12 standard dry fly hook, from Mustad, was a good deal smaller in the 40s and 50s than it is today.

Then when you go down to size 18 and below, every maker has their own idea of what sizes to make their hooks. I've seen size 28 hooks that were just a hair smaller than other hooks called a size 20, and again, a size 18 from the 50s is likely smaller than a size 20 from today.

If you're looking for a comprehensive sizing chart for every hook in current production, I doubt it exists...let alone one that takes into account discontinued models.

Your best bet is either trying small packs till you find one that you like, comparing them in a fly shop, or picking the brain of a friendly midger and getting their take.

When it comes to my preferred hooks, all of my preferences have arisen from trial an derror, both at the vise and on the water. I'm field testing a new (to me....actually, the're several decades OLDER than me) hook this season for steelhead eggs. They're getting their first try next week and if I like them, I'll be ordering thousands more, in a range of sizes. If you find a favorite, I suggest only getting what you need till you find a heck of a deal, then loading up as if you're buying the last remaining stock. ;)
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Re: Scalable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10953

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Thank you both.

Cold, that makes sense (although it should not). It would be nice if someone would standardize that. Truth is most things used to be that way, much that has been standardized was done so because of wars to allow various manufactures to make parts to fit those made elsewhere. I vote we don't need another war just to standardize hooks. Though it would be nice (not a war). OK, I'll study the charts from DMac's links (may print a few for my notebook) and work on picking sizes and configurations I like and put them in my notebook with the brand. Being that I am a retired design engineer, keeping hook sizes with the brand as a portion of the configuration data makes me squirm, but it is what it is.

On the other hand, "Brand" simply becomes one of the properties of the configuration, I can wrap my head around that.

I had looked up several charts by various whatevers and was scratching my head in bewilderment... now I know why. Thank you for the fast responses.
That Tiemco chart is a piece of work. They really did themselves justice with the diagrams. To print the Tiemco chart, download the file. It then opens as a true pdf file and runs in real English on Adobe Reader, and prints in humanese. Otherwise you will waste several pages of paper and lots of jet ink (the most expensive ink on the planet) to see computer upset stomach language.
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10954

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Great links DMac, you are the link man!
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10971

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Ya.. I second that... DMac is D Link-man..... He have all sort of links, all over him....:laugh: :laugh:

lol....
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10973

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Great links David! Thanks :)
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10976

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Thanks for these links, they always come in handy!
Now just to get my flies to do what my mind imagines...
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10978

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I may strung up from an Oak tree for this, but does it really matter if brand A is 64th of an inch (heck even 1/32") longer or shorter than brand B? If you're tying show flies that exceed 1 digit in the price tag, or are trying to 100% duplicate a specific classic or historic pattern I can see trying to get the exact hook, if not in brand/model at least in size.

To me the facts the Cold pointed out how the hooks have changed sizes over the years, tells me teh manufactures dont really care.
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10980

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That may be the case, but may I suggest it is not about caring. ;)

A little non-standardized manufacturing insight:

When there is no industry standard and a new size or configuration of product comes out manufacturers race to write their own configuration and get it to the market if there is a sales incentive. Therefore each of them are slightly different. At that time with product already in customer’s hands and being used each has a responsibility to maintain that same configuration for the sake of established customers.

Now add patents for new configurations forcing other manufacturers to produce a similar product enough different to skirt around the patents, or pay a premium to produce and sale a product like the patented.

Additionally, a manufacturer may have a well established customer base which when queried requests the new configuration be slightly different for a valid reason.

After all these events, plus more we haven’t even touched on, it is amazing they are as similar as they are.

(This was one task the government had to sort out at the beginning of world war II, in a hurry. Thus our vast MIL-Standards. We owe our expectation for things to be standardized to that foundation.)

If the hook manufacturers were willing, who is going to decide which one is right and which ones must change their tooling to match? NOT ME!

I can assure you the non-standardization of hooks is also frustrating to the manufactures. It takes a consortium of the larger manufacturers to meet and decide to become volunteer members of and finance a self policing organization to set standards, this forces smaller and future manufacturers to follow suit in order to play ball. This is a tough program to start, let alone, complete, and follow through.

Perhaps this thread may plant the seed....???? :unsure: HINT - HINT hook manufacturers....
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #10983

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I will say this much.....i have a buddy that ties some #26 midge patterns....and they look JUST like my #20's tied on Mustads. :blink:
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Re: Scaleable hook size chart 3 years 3 weeks ago #11158

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DMac wrote:
Here are a couple of good hook links:

On the following link You can see refined charts for each of the five brand name hooks: Mustad comparison chart, Tiemco comparison chart, Daiichi comparison chart, Orvis comparison chart, Partridge comparison chart

Has anyone printed the Tiemco Chart from this link? If so, how close are the hooks shown to actual size?
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